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[会计] 澳洲会计是太多还是太少了?

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发表于 2014-6-4 14:11:41 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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Accounting students are struggling to find unpaid internships as firms say automation, slack economic conditions and offshoring of low-level grunt work are reducing their staffing requirements.
Yet the two of the three peak accounting bodies maintain that demand for accountants is high and growing.
“Everyone tells you that accounting is one of the safer jobs to have,” said Callum Andrews, 23, from Camden in Sydney’s south-west, who finished an honours degree in accounting at the University of Wollongong last year. “But I’ve found it difficult to get a job. It is demoralising.”
The co-ordinator of the university’s internship program, Lynnaire Sheridan, said it has become increasingly difficult to place accounting graduates, even for short, unpaid work experience.
“In the Business Internship Program, on average, 20 undergraduate students compete for one or two corporate accounting internship roles each semester,” said Dr Sheridan.
“In auditing, the larger companies are no longer going to recruit graduates because they can outsource the work to China.”
One Melbourne-based CPA Australia member, who applied for a fee reduction because he has been out of work for more than a year, said he was told by CPA staff that the paperwork would be delayed because the association had been “swamped” with applications.
CPA Australia denied there had been any increase in these types of membership applications.
‘There is movement up the food chain’
“This is wrong,” spokesman Ben Pratt said. “Reduced fees are offered for a range of reasons and applicant numbers are in line with previous years.”
Yet outsourcing in some form – driven by cloud-based accounting technologies and cheap communication facilities – was affecting the total spectrum of the accounting world from the big four to the smaller sole practitioners, said Morrows accountant Murray Wyatt.
Automation and offshoring would reduce demand for junior accounting jobs by 10 to 15 per cent in First World economies, which would be offset by a spike in demand in emerging economies, said Edward Nusbaum, the global chief executive of big six accounting firm Grant Thornton.
Wyatt believes this will get worse.
“At this stage, outsourcing is affecting more task-oriented transactional processing and production of reports and statement of advice, rather than the management of the project and the client relationship, but slowly there is movement up the food chain,” he said.
The Department of Employment says there is no shortage of accountants and wants accounting taken off the Skilled Occupation List for migrants.
Its official data shows that there were, on average, 38 qualified accountants applying for each accounting position in 2012-13, well above other professions.
Overall demand has also fallen.
‘There will not be enough locally trained accountants’
The number of internet job ads for accountants has plummeted from a peak of about 15,000 a month in mid-2008 to about 5000 a month in mid-2013.
Last week, The Australian Financial Review revealed the number of Australians studying accounting fell 20 per cent between 2001 and 2012 and foreigners now vastly outnumbered local graduates.
But CPA Australia and the Institute of Chartered Accountants have taken a different view. The associations, which both derive revenue from assessment of migrants with accounting skills, have repeatedly told the federal government there is a shortage of accountants and want accounting to be kept on the list of Skilled Occupation List.
CPA Australia spokesman Mr Pratt said the association believed “demand for accountants is high and increasing as economic conditions and business confidence improves”.
“It is our contention that there will not be enough locally trained accountants to meet demand in the future, particularly in some specialist areas.”
This view has led to charges that CPA Australia has a conflict of interest in catering to its foreign and local members.
The association has about 37,000 overseas members out of a total 2012 membership of more than 144,000.
‘I’m either over-qualified or under-qualified’
Morrows’ Mr Wyatt said: “The conundrum is that there is an inherent conflict in acting on an individual basis for a member that resides overseas and the member that resides in Australia, given their employment interests may be diametrically opposed.
“I don’t believe it is possible for CPA Australia to contemplate protectionist types of politics, particularly when the reality is Australian graduates – whether they like or not – compete against their offshore counterparts.
“Clearly this is going to lead over the long term to rationalisation of Australian graduate employment expectations and rewards.”
CPA Australia denied there was any conflict between the needs of its local and overseas members.
“Our vision to become the best members services organisation in the world and we work every day from 19 offices globally – including every Australian state and territory – to make it a reality,” spokesman Mr Pratt said.
Forty-two year-old Perth graduate Sheree Taylor finds the stance of the CPA Australia “frustrating”.
Having graduated from Edith Cowan University with a Bachelor of Business (Accounting) last year, Ms Taylor has given up on finding a part-time accounting role and is now looking at financial planning.
“I’m either over-qualified or under-qualified,” she said. “There are no junior positions. It makes me wonder why I studied accounting at all.”
Do you know more? Contact ed.tadros @ fairfaxmedia.com.au
The Australian Financial Review




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发表于 2014-6-4 15:10:15 | 显示全部楼层

CA/CPA和学校的话能信吗
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发表于 2014-6-4 16:43:32 | 显示全部楼层


macro_micro_eco 发表于 2014-3-4 17:31

CA/CPA和学校的话能信吗

问题是其他行业的人都不了解,都挺相信CA/CPA,认为他们是很公正的
正好记者来采访,我们做会计的要抓住这个机会告诉他们真实的情况。不要让学校之类的误导人了
我和好几个同事都写信给他了
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发表于 2014-6-4 17:29:56 | 显示全部楼层

好多都是毕业了没工作的吧
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发表于 2014-6-4 18:43:02 | 显示全部楼层

我觉得他们各有各的观点。
政府和市场看的是就业率,学会计的人很多。新手会计毕业后找不到entry level,造成就业率下降,导致这批新手转行做别的,可是因为会计还在移民列表上,而这又是最简单的移民课程之一,所以学习会计的人数一直居高不下,据说一直到了2012年才有所下降。所以在entry level上会计的竞争非常惨烈,加之澳洲经济变差,能爬上去的人越来越少,转行的越来越多。
于是就出现了一个尴尬的问题,senior的会计反而没有得到补充。这里说的不是刚拿CPA/CA的会计,因为现在说实话很多人的CPA都是忽悠来的,通过夸大经验或编造而得到的,这批人还是属于初级会计。而有多年经验高级会计一直得不到补充,所以CPA/CA才会说还缺会计。
这是个人观点。
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发表于 2014-6-4 20:16:03 | 显示全部楼层


亚雷特 发表于 2014-3-4 16:51

我觉得他们各有各的观点。
政府和市场看的是就业率,学会计的人很多。新手会计毕业后找不到entry level, ...

很赞同,做会计起步真的不容易(学霸除外),不过一旦入行了慢慢就都好了
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发表于 2014-6-4 21:18:56 | 显示全部楼层

如果每份初中级的会计工作收到200+的求职信,难道不是会计过剩么,这里是在澳洲,不是国内。
如果每份高级的会计工作求职的人寥寥,很难找到合适的人选,那和现行的鼓励初级会计移民的政策不是相抵触么。别忘了,还有457等着呢。
而最多的所谓的初级会计兼职管理工作,根本不需要一个正规的会计学位的培训。
事实是澳洲三大会计组织,CPA有15万会员,CA有7.5万会员,IPA有2.5万会员。这意味着全澳25万人在年复一年的缴费供养着这些非工会组织。
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发表于 2014-6-4 22:51:44 | 显示全部楼层

少点才能涨工资
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发表于 2014-6-4 23:49:42 | 显示全部楼层

当然是太多!
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发表于 2014-6-5 01:02:40 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 csk123 于 2014-3-4 23:35 编辑
请各位同学,抽出些时间写写我们对市场和找工作的感受,可长可短,发给报社,让更多人听到我们的声音。
和他们的联系是不必提供个人信息
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